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« on: April 22, 2009, 05:58:12 AM »

I have an '09 Starcraft 2106.  Does anyone use a Sienna as a TV?  I am looking but concerned about the hitch height and tongue weight.
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 07:47:23 AM »

lnorman pulls his 3500-lb GVWR 2008 Fleetwood Sun Valley with a Sienna.  IIRC FloridaNative tows with a Sienna too.
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 08:58:30 AM »

FloridaNative in fact pulls a small TT with Sienna.  He upgraded from a Camry!  He has been pleased with both, from his postings.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 10:13:21 AM »

Yes we pull an 02 FLeetwood with our 04 sienna.  We love it!!  Have to do a "drop" on the hitch instead of a rise.
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 11:02:47 AM »

I have an '09 Starcraft 2106.  Does anyone use a Sienna as a TV?  I am looking but concerned about the hitch height and tongue weight.
the specs for that model are

GVWR -2090lbs
UVW - 1509lbs
HW - 163lbs

this is not a very heavy trailer, and can be easily towed with a sienna, you might want to consider a few items

- you did not mention what year your sienna is, on the newer ('08, '09) towing prep is an option on the USA models (std on canadian models). the manual says 1000lbs max for a non-tow preped sienna, 3500 lbs for tow preped siennas, 350 lbs hitch weight

-the use of trailer brakes is recomended, and prefered by many. this would have to be wired in. think prodigy or p3as a brake controller

-the sienna is a very soft sprung rear, airlifts can be used to stiffen up the rear coils so that it doesn't drop as much

-you might be able to get away with out weight distibution,as the trailer is "light"

-depending on the hitch reciever you get, select the correct ball-mount to get the trailer level

-seinna owners have a valuable resource, http://siennachat.com/forum/index.php?board=10.0 where you can get advice from sienna owners.

Paul
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GVWR - Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
The maximum permissible weight of the trailer when fully loaded with all systems filled. It includes all weight at the trailer axle(s) plus hitch.
UVW - Unloaded Vehicle Weight
Sometimes referred to as the Gross Vehicle Weight or Curb Weight, the UVW is the dry weight of the trailer as manufactured at the factory. It includes all weight at the trailer axle(s) plus hitch.
HW - Hitch Weight
Hitch Weight represents the portion of the trailer weight that is carried by the tongue to the hitch ball on the tow vehicle.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2009, 06:48:37 PM »

If those are the weights The Sienna will handle it no problem. ( unless you camp with a herd of linebackers in the Sienna)
Mine is about 50% heavier and still no problem.  I posted lots of details on another related thread here today so have  look for it.
It may be that WDH is not required for such a light trailer, You could hook it up and get it to the scales to be sure.  It would be good to confirm the Starcraft can accept WDH, not all light trailers can, just to know your options. 
Good luck.
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2009, 04:47:38 AM »

Thanks for the input.  I have a related question.  I went to the Sienna forum and read a lot about trailer breaks.  My Starcraft did not come with breaks.  It is light weight but most comments recommended breaks.  Question:  is their a mod for the Starcraft to add breaks?  I am currently pulling with an '04  Ford Ranger with no problem but am concerned about pulling with a Sienna with no breaks.

Any thoughts?

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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2009, 07:16:54 AM »

As a braking engineer, my recommendation for anyone is this:
The brake system on any vehicle has been tested to stop according to federal guildlines when loaded up to it's GVWR.  I'm not sure about your particular minivan, but my minivan is about 4200 lbs empty, and 5700 lbs GVWR, so I'll use that in this example.

If your loaded van PLUS the loaded trailer were to remain within this 5700 lbs limit, then your van's brakes really wouldn't know the difference, and would basically be functioning at their limit.  But you already know that the loaded trailer is somewhere between 1500 and 2100 lbs (probably around 2000 lbs).  Without even talking about the passenger and cargo weight in the van, you are already running at least 6200 lbs (in this example), which is overloading the brakes by 500 lbs.  Add in your family and stuff in the back, and you will easily be overloading the brakes by 1000 lbs.

You will definitely need to be using trailer brakes.  Adding them is fairly straightforward if your trailer already has the mounting plates welded to the axle tube.  Add the spindles, brakes, bearings, hubs, and drums, run the wiring, add an electric brake controller.  If you don't have the mounting plates there, most have said it is easier and cheaper, to simply have the entire axle swapped out for a Dexter axle that already has the brake hardware in place.

Eitiher way, you have some thinking to do before I would consider running this rig.  Without trailer brakes, you might not be able to stop short enough to avoid a problem.
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